From: "John Vance" To: "Pigeon_Mailing_List" Subject: Concerned about listing Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 00:31:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Someone named Robert Randell has been telling me that Mojave Breeding = Station is a top exporter of quality racing pigeons with many customers = worldwide. So, I went to his website (www.mojavelofts.com/) and viewed = the birds listed there. I was somewhat struck by what Mojave (Garry = Lane) had to say on his website concerning the John Stoll birds that he = had recently purchased from the Pipa auction website about 10 days ago. = What struck me was how many wins one of these birds had picked up since = Mojave Breeding Station purchased it on the auction. There was nothing = in the Pipa auction description about the bird winning any "1st", but = Mohave has it listed as a 4 x 1st winner and 1st Ace young bird Hensies = '02. I suppose it is possible to have information about a bird that the = seller did not think relevant to list concerning the bird's performance = when they put it up to be sold on the auction, like winning 4 x 1st and = being an "ace". Its not that the bird couldn't have won 4 x 1st, it is = just that the seller did not think to mention that information when = listing it for sale. Maybe the seller was just trying to hide that = information from the bidders to keep the price down? Another bird Mojave Breeding Station purchased on the Pipa auction = website was listed on the Mojave Breeding Station website as "Bred and = hand picked strickly [for] the breeding program". However, that = valuable information about being hand picked for the breeding program = was never listed in the auction description of the bird. All we really = know about the bird from the auction description is that it was bred the = last year John Stoll flew (2003) and that apparently it did not win any = significant prizes as none are listed. There is no evidence that the = bird ever saw the inside of a breeding loft. Now, to clarify, it is a = daughter of a bird with a very good breeding record over a ten year = period but that does not necessarily mean that this auction bird was = hand picked for the breeding program. Again, maybe it was hand picked = for the breeding program, but again, the seller did not think that = information was worthy of listing when posting the bird for sale. Maybe = the seller wanted to keep the selling price down on this bird, by = leaving important information off the description? Anyone able to shed anymore information about these new birds listed on = the Mojave Breeding Station website? Normally, I would not say = anything, but his name has come up on the PML before and I was just = struck by how differently the birds are described on his site then on = the auction site he purchased them from. Again, to be fair, maybe he = knows something that the owner of these birds did not think was = important to tell perspective bidders such as winning 4 x 1st in yb's. When I asked Robert Randell about Garry Lane's status with the AU, the = reply I received was: Mojave was never kicked out of the AU, He quit = because of all the problems he was having with the AU and zone = directors. and that the AU can't kick out some one who is not a member = any longer. Mr Randell went on to say that the excuse the AU used to = try and kick Garry Lane out, was a lie! I know that Garry Lane has friends and business associates on this list = so maybe they will be able to verify Robert Randell's statements and = clarify the issue over the enhanced descriptions for these two John = Stoll birds, newly acquired and listed, on the Mojave Breeding Station = website. Looking forward to getting some insight on this matter as it = really is bugging me. John V